並前往https://www.scribd.com/podcast/669180993/2023-09-05-%E8%BE%B2%E6%A5%AD%E9%83%A8%E7%9A%84%E8%B6%85%E6%80%9D%E6%B3%95%E8%AA%AA%E6%9C%83%E8%B6%8A%E6%8F%8F%E8%B6%8A%E9%BB%91